Livin'Lite closing down

Paul · February 15, 2018, 08:41:33 AM

Thank you Dan for taking the time to come on the forum. I am glad to hear some news from you! I really appreciated the emails we exchanged when I ordered my 2018 21BHS and it was so cool when you sent me pictures of the unit being built!

charliem · February 15, 2018, 10:13:00 AM

Quote from: djmiller on February 14, 2018, 10:28:26 PM
"I guess I can finally comment now.......

.... none of this could happen without the friendship and leadership of Scott Tuttle. We all truly worked together.

Dan Miller

Thanks Dan. A lot was said....and many things unsaid. Thanks for my 2014 21RBS you and your associates built. Your pride in engineering and quality shows. Good luck in whatever you chose to do next.

Merlin · February 15, 2018, 12:15:31 PM

Wonderful first post on this forum, Dan. Don't make it your last! You've got valuable product knowledge that can live on here. I remember touring the original LL factory in Wakarusa, Indiana while my 16TBS was being built and observing many of the things you mentioned in your post. The deep snow is melting off my camper today and there's always a possibility of water leaking in through the vents and it's really great to be able to sit here watching it and think: So what!

GrampaKilt · February 15, 2018, 12:50:52 PM

Dan, I met you as well when I picked up my 14DB in 2014. I'm the guy that showed up with a Jetta as my TV. I want to thank you and the LL bunch of the day, for what has become more than 'just' a trailer. GK

whitefish · February 18, 2018, 01:04:53 AM

Quote from: Merlin on February 15, 2018, 12:15:31 PM
Wonderful first post on this forum, Dan. Don't make it your last! You've got valuable product knowledge that can live on here.

Well said.

Thank you for hard work and excellent product Dan. I hope it won't be the last!

PaulJ · February 18, 2018, 09:31:18 AM

Dan while I have never met you I thank you for your comments. This is why I bought a Camplite - the people and the quality! I am angry and will never buy any Thor product EVER. Thor screwed everyone. Dan THANK YOU for a Great Trailer!

DavidM · February 19, 2018, 11:06:48 AM

With Thor stopping production of Livin Lites, dealers not being able to order new ones and dealers abandoning the line, we don't know what will become of the brand. It might become a line under another umbrella brand, but I doubt it. LLs take an entirely different production approach that won't integrate well with another stick built line. So my guess is that LL will go away by the middle of the year.

What will happen to the factory website: livinlite.com/forum? It will most certainly be discontinued as well. It doesn't make sense to support a web site for a dead product.

The aluminumcamperforum website was founded several years ago by Paul-Andre Robichaud (wish I could get the accent on the e in his name, but alas my American English font won't do that). It has a bunch of somewhat nerdy members (who else would spend 50% more to get an all aluminum, rot free camper) who can help with the idiosyncrasies of this unique camper. They also are a bunch of nice people with whom I have enjoyed sitting around a campfire, BSing about everything, not just LLs.

So it is all that more important for those of us who respect the unique characteristics of the LL models to support this website with your participation as well as financially. We are now at the first anniversary of the Premium Member funding scheme that is apparently working well. For a $12 charge to your credit card or to your Paypal account you can provide financial support for this forum and be recognized as a premium member. Go to https://aluminumcamperforum.com/index.php?topic=378.0 and sign up to support this site.

And as ADR just noted on another thread, this site is as clean as you could wish for: no ads, no trackers, nothing. It just pops open and cleanly moves from page to page. And pictures are easy to attach, just click on the Attachments and other options link at the bottom of your message entry page. It has huge size limitations, but for easier viewing try to keep them down to less than 1 MB.

David

GrampaKilt · February 19, 2018, 02:56:01 PM

Good deal. I'm in.

PaulJ · February 19, 2018, 09:04:23 PM

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Thank you Paul and all the other members that make this site Great.

gcamp · February 19, 2018, 11:14:13 PM

Perhaps this is not news to any of you but I just found out that Scott Tuttle is now with inTech. I saw their new camper Luna on RV show last month and it is one of the most beautiful and best designed new small campers I have seen in the USA.

whitefish · February 20, 2018, 03:28:33 PM

Quote from: gcamp on February 19, 2018, 11:14:13 PM
Perhaps this is not news to any of you but I just found out that Scott Tuttle is now with inTech. I saw their new camper Luna on RV show last month and it is one of the most beautiful and best designed new small campers I have seen in the USA.

When I saw the skeleton of the Luna I had goosebumps. Maybe the all aluminum camplite trailer isn't dead, just in hibernation

charliem · February 21, 2018, 02:08:27 PM

More downgrades! When did Thor downgrade the gray/black tank capacities on the 21s from 32/28 to 25/25? Guess I missed that. Only a non camping bean counter would think fresh water capacity is more important than waste water capacities.

djsamuel · February 21, 2018, 03:29:28 PM

Quote from: charliem on February 21, 2018, 02:08:27 PM
More downgrades! When did Thor downgrade the gray/black tank capacities on the 21s from 32/28 to 25/25? Guess I missed that. Only a non camping bean counter would think fresh water capacity is more important than waste water capacities.

Strange, looking at the LivinLite website, it shows black/gray capacities of 32/25 gallons for the 21BHS yet 25/25 for the 21RBS. The 23RKS is 25/25 while the 23RLS is 32/25. I wonder if there is a mistake on the web site. Question is, which is wrong.

Apollo · February 22, 2018, 09:25:37 AM

I seem to recall reading in another post where the tanks were being commonized across the line.

No doubt they are smaller to save money and to fit under that ridiculous underbelly enclosure, I know the black tank on my 21BHS hangs down too far for an enclosure.

Don't know why the website shows different capacities, could be only some trailers changed tank size or maybe the website is wrong.

charliem · February 22, 2018, 10:51:58 AM

Quote from: Apollo on February 22, 2018, 09:25:37 AM
I seem to recall reading in another post where the tanks were being commonized across the line.

No doubt they are smaller to save money and to fit under that ridiculous underbelly enclosure, I know the black tank on my 21BHS hangs down too far for an enclosure.

Don't know why the website shows different capacities, could be only some trailers changed tank size or maybe the website is wrong.

To paraphrase my math book: Commonized equals lowest common denominator. Toyota could put 13" wheels on their pickups too, but they don't.