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Off Topic / The Real Story of America's Thanksgiving
November 25, 2015, 04:47:01 PM

The Real Story of America's Thanksgiving

November 21, 2012


What is the story of Thanksgiving? What I was taught, what most people my age were taught, maybe even many of you were taught, the Pilgrims got to the New World, they didn't know what to do. They didn't know how to feed themselves. They were escaping tyranny, but they got here, and the Indians, who were eventually to be wiped out, taught them how to do everything, fed them and so forth. They had this big feast where they sat down and thanked the Indians for saving their lives and apologized for taking their country and eventually stealing Manhattan from 'em.

But that's not what really happened.

"The story of the Pilgrims begins in the early part of the seventeenth century ... The Church of England under King James I was persecuting anyone and everyone who did not recognize its absolute civil and spiritual authority. Those who challenged ecclesiastical authority and those who believed strongly in freedom of worship were hunted down, imprisoned, and sometimes executed for their beliefs. A group of separatists first fled to Holland and established a community. After eleven years, about forty of them agreed to make a perilous journey to the New World, where they would certainly face hardships, but could live and worship God according to the dictates of their own consciences.



"On August 1, 1620, the Mayflower set sail. It carried a total of 102 passengers, including forty Pilgrims led by William Bradford. On the journey, Bradford set up an agreement, a contract, that established just and equal laws for all members of the new community, irrespective of their religious beliefs. Where did the revolutionary ideas expressed in the Mayflower Compact come from? From the Bible. The Pilgrims were a people completely steeped in the lessons of the Old and New Testaments. They looked to the ancient Israelites for their example.

"And, because of the biblical precedents set forth in Scripture, they never doubted that their experiment would work. But this was no pleasure cruise, friends. The journey to the New World was a long and arduous one. And when the Pilgrims landed in New England in November, they found -- according to Bradford's detailed journal -- a cold, barren, desolate wilderness. There were no friends to greet them, he wrote. There were no houses to shelter them. There were no inns where they could refresh themselves. And the sacrifice they had made for freedom was just beginning. During the first winter, half the Pilgrims -- including Bradford's own wife -- died of either starvation, sickness or exposure. When spring finally came, Indians taught the settlers how to plant corn, fish for cod and skin beavers for coats.

"Life improved for the Pilgrims, but they did not yet prosper! This is important to understand because this is where modern American history lessons often end. Thanksgiving is actually explained in some textbooks as a holiday for which the Pilgrims gave thanks to the Indians for saving their lives." That's not what it was.

"Here is the part that has been omitted: The original contract the Pilgrims had entered into with their merchant-sponsors in London called for everything they produced to go into a common store, and each member of the community was entitled to one common share." It was a commune. It was socialism. "All of the land they cleared and the houses they built belonged to the community as well," not to the individuals who built them.

"Bradford, who had become the new governor of the colony, recognized that this form of collectivism was as costly and destructive to the Pilgrims as that first harsh winter, which had taken so many lives. He decided to take bold action. Bradford assigned a plot of land to each family to work and manage." They could do with it whatever they wanted. He essentially turned loose the free market on 'em. "Long before Karl Marx was even born, the Pilgrims had discovered and experimented with what could only be described as socialism." And they found that it didn't work.

"What Bradford and his community found was that the most creative and industrious people had no incentive to work any harder than anyone else," because everybody ended up with the same thing at the end of the day. "But while most of the rest of the world has been experimenting with socialism for well over a hundred years -- trying to refine it, perfect it, and re-invent it -- the Pilgrims decided early on to scrap it permanently. What Bradford wrote about this social experiment should be in every schoolchild's history lesson. 'The experience that we had in this common course and condition,' Bradford wrote. 'The experience that we had in this common course and condition tried sundry years... that by taking away property, and bringing community into a common wealth, would make them happy and flourishing -- as if they were wiser than God. ... For this community [so far as it was] was found to breed much confusion and discontent, and retard much employment that would have been to their benefit and comfort. For young men that were most able and fit for labor and service did repine that they should spend their time and strength to work for other men's wives and children without any recompense.'"

What he was saying was, they found that people could not expect to do their best work without any incentive. So what did they try next? Free enterprise. "Every family was assigned its own plot of land to work and permitted to market its own crops and products. And what was the result? 'This had very good success,' wrote Bradford, 'for it made all hands industrious, so as much more corn was planted than otherwise would have been.'"
They had miraculous results. In no time they found they had more food than they could eat themselves. So they set up trading posts. They exchanged goods with the Indians. The profits allowed them to pay off the people that sponsored their trip in London. The success and the prosperity of the Plymouth settlement attracted more Europeans, began what became known as the great Puritan migration.

And they shared their bounty with the Indians. Actually, they sold some of it to 'em. The true story of Thanksgiving is how socialism failed. With all the great expectations and high hopes, it failed. And self-reliance, rugged individualism, free enterprise, whatever you call it, resulted in prosperity that they never dreamed of.

Hope you have a great Thanksgiving weekend."

Courtesy of the EIB Network.  Shared with each of you, our Canadian friends, in gratefulness to those in America whose real story merits telling and to our God in whom they trusted.

Have a happy thanksgiving now and always, for a thankful heart is appropriate at all times!
WW Bushhog
#2
Off Topic / Re: Happy 4th July...
July 04, 2015, 03:33:03 PM
Thank you, PEIslander, and may Canada and the United States of America always be friends...

LET FREEDOM RING!
#3
Quote from: PEIslander on July 03, 2015, 07:03:21 AM
Your vintage style awning looks perfect Bill!

A good resource for vintage style RV accessories is Vintage Trailer Supply. They seem to be on-trend with the rapidly growing "glamping" trend. Even if you aren't a potential glamper they do have some really cool stuff.  8)


Thanks for sharing!  As a Floridian, if we never see another plastic pink flamingo, oh well!  However, fireflies in a jar?  How cool is that?!
#4
Quote from: rideandfly on July 02, 2015, 05:25:34 PM
Have seen Polished Airstream Campers with Vintage Canopy, looking good, too!!!!!  8)

R&F, Do you think that this was what LL had in mind when they put this exterior finish on the Axxess/Polaris line of haulers?  We've tried to figure it out, as we vascillate between loving the finish .... and not liking it so much, particularly when under attack by wildlife.  Never considered that perhaps LL was borrowing the polished look from Airstream.   Hmmm...makes more sense now.
#5
The first 'toyhauler'... makes us proud!   ;)

#6
Off Topic / Re: Forum categories
July 02, 2015, 06:33:10 PM
Quote from: Paul on July 02, 2015, 05:14:14 PM
Quote from: rob on July 02, 2015, 02:20:39 PM
How about having "tent camper" and "travel trailer" as opposed to "Quicksilver" and "Camplite"?  Maybe "hard top" and "soft top"?

There are soft top and hard top toy haulers but many mods and/or problems that only apply to one or the other.

I would like to have others opinion on this. To me it looks like a good idea. What everyone else think?

This distinction has merit and we'll think more how to help make it.  In the meantime, will throw this at you, Paul:

Would it not be soooo cool to be able to have a live feed to any/all participating LL gatherings?  Dates and specific time windows for the feed could be announced in advance.  This live-time feed could facilitate sharing incredible places/great LL folks, their trailers, activities, ideas, food and fun with LL forum visitors who might otherwise never be able to gather and meet in person. 

While simple in 'theory', especially for one who would not be doing the actual 'work'  ;), might it be doable for you tech-saavy 'youngsters' who manage this forum?  Yes, unfortunately, greater scrutiny for security purposes would be required.  But how it could energize this forum and set it apart from other abundant auto-pilot type forums!

For example: a Fundy photo was posted of your trailer, Paul, with the awning supports changed to a vertical position with credit given to PEI Islander for sharing this idea.  Whaaaat?  Can our trailer do that?  How?  Now think how great and how FUN it would be to see the LL gathering attendee (PEIslander, in this example) implementing this idea, LIVE, ...bloopers and all!  This specific idea demonstrated LIVE could also be promoted in advance to draw additional viewers.  Sure, it  could be videotaped and posted later, but what fun if it were LIVE, to say little of the potential for enhanced viewership!   And what ideas might emerge especially from those who love being in front of the camera!  :o  More importantly, there would be greater impetus to organize LL Gatherings by LL owners around the world! Think of the impact of this! 

Think about it, Paul, PEIslander and Rideandfly, as admins/moderators of this forum.  A Livin Lite star could be born!  And it just might well be 'LivinLiteForum.com'!
#7
OH.....we soooo have to upgrade our gear.   Stunning photos!
#8
Off Topic / Re: Forum categories
July 02, 2015, 05:02:54 PM
One 'vote' against disallowing the 'off-topic' category...after all, is it not facilitating this discussion? 

That said, it's not a hill worthy of planting a flag, so to speak. 

#9
Love this and all that things that harken back to a simpler, kinder time.  Thanks for sharing, R&F. 

Our awning should serve us for some time to come since our LL is a '15.  Then the question arises, if ever a time comes where it needs replacing, how would our hauler's 'modern' exterior mirror finish look with a 'retro-look' awning?  At first thought, naaah, not compatible....

...but upon second thought....HECK YEAH, a vintage awning would look great!  (All LL decals would have to go, however!)
#10
Camping cooking / Re: Cast Iron...
July 01, 2015, 02:14:08 AM
We too have a cast iron frying pan inherited from Grandma.  We use it most all of the time!  It's great for cooking most everything, it seems, well seasoned and a cinch to maintain.

We also have a Lodge 12 qt. dutch oven which we've used to make stews both over an open fire as well as in, over and under charcoal.  There's something 'pioneering' and special about sitting around the fire waiting eagerly for the little dutch oven to yield up its yummy contents after a sufficient time over a fire or coals suspended only by the chain of a weathered rod iron tripod.

But one of the most rewarding, fun things we've done is cook our Thanksgiving turkey in a trashcan!  It's called just that....'trashcan turkey'.  Best tasting bird ever and the technique is similar to cooking with the dutch oven using charcoal (for heat control), but on a grander scale, and hence, a little more work...but worth it!  So next time you want to make family and friends feel extra special when they come over...cook a big bird for them in a trashcan.  They'll be squawking about it for a long time!   ;D

Nice topic selection, PEI! 
#11
"I live roughly an hour north of Albany, NY which is very doable for the Second Annual International Livin'Lite Jamboree.  More importantly, if nothing serious changes between now and then my criminal record will still be clear.  I'll bring the booze."

Mitch, don't forget to bring your banjo!   ;D

Thanks for the report and photos, Guys!  It's fun putting faces to the posts and sounds like we missed out on some great food and fellowship.

David, where in Texas did you live?
#12
What incredible photos all of you have shared here!  You're not using mere phone cameras, are you?  They really are impressive, though we feel somewhat embarrassed of our amateurish pics...oh well! 

Thanks for sharing these, really!
#13
Member Introductions / Re: Hi from the Great Lakes
June 29, 2015, 01:37:02 AM
Welcome, Merlin.  The photo looks good.  We love parking backed up to water too, usually the Atlantic, since we're in FL.  Not as eager to hug rivers and lakes due to gators and such.   
#14
JRyan,
Just revisited the LLPBoard and copied the link where there remains a couple of photos of two different systems to support a rear cargo door deck.  You have seen this, sounds like, and it does appear that many photos may have been removed in a recent purge to clear up additional storage space. 

http://livinlite-owners.com/thread/726/cargo-door-back-patio?page=2

That said, I've sent 'DB' a PM asking him to visit this forum and help you out.  Whether he visits the Proboard any longer to get my message, I do not know.  We can tell you that DB's LL trailer was a customized toyhauler and the cargo door deck supports were done by LL. 

We got the same information as you from LL on retrofitting our cargo door and told it would costs 'thousands'.  In the end, for us, a simple inexpensive fix has served us well:  two jack stands with a lift from 14 to 20", rubber tipped, around $35 for two from Harbor Freight.  They stow in the front compartment.  Yeah, no railing...but so far, no need.  Here's a recent pic where we grilled on the deck facing the Atlantic, then slept on the Happi-Jac with cargo door open all night, screen down.  What a dreamy experience...listening to the waves, looking at the starlit night and bright moon and then later way off in the east, watch the outline of clouds leading a storm toward us.  It was one of a kind night.  We love that rear cargo door and the world it opens up to us.  But sorry, we've never thought of taking pictures of those jack stands!  :o
#15
We will be up there mid-August, but without the LL.  We have owned property in East TN for many years buying a mountaintop parcel back when it was dirt cheap...before deep pockets and tourists found it.  That was a long time ago, and therefore really don't know what property values are at this point in time. 

Are you wanting city or solitude?  Home or investment property?  Knoxville is a nice city, as is Chattanooga, particularly if one must locate close to jobs.  We opted for the solace of the Smokies and built our cabin just a valley across from the National Park's boundary.  Because of work, we are there part-time, at best.... :'(  One half of us would leave FL in a heartbeat to live there full-time...if it were possible.  Maybe one day. 

We LOVE TENNESSEE....but why leaving NC?  From what we've seen, it's beautiful there too. 

Have fun hunting down your dream!!