Shower drains into black tank

[Gary M]

Just got in touch with KZ/Livin Lite support. They explained that this was a design change when they switched to the larger black tanks. They're emailing me drawings of the design change now.

They also stated that "ALL" 21BHS models manufactured after mine will have this same system setup of the shower draining into the black tank instead of gray. So this was NOT a one time mistake. Mine was completed in December 2017. 

[charliem]

So they intentionally screwed it up. IMO draining the shower, the largest producer of gray water, into the black tank only makes sense if you don't plan to use the shower.

[MitchB]

It's a bunch of BS plain and simple.

[Gary M]

Here's the drawing, so it was a design change. I wonder if they did it on the RBS models too.

So instead of a "fix", my work can now be categorized as a "mod" 

[FastEddieB]

What a stupid setup.

Again, our 2014 21BHS is serving duty as a stationary construction trailer. As such, the black water tank rarely gets dumped. But we do take showers there and as mentioned before periodically just dump the grey water on the ground. With the new setup we'd be forced to make far more frequent trips to the dump station, which is kind of a hassle. 

Dumb. 

[DavidM]

After following this sordid tale of woe, there is no doubt in my mind that Livin Lite needed to die. Scott Tuttle must be laughing his ass off!!!

David

[charliem]

Charlie's Fourth Law: Campers are designed by people who never camp.

[Merlin]

Argh! As someone mentioned previously, that decision could only have been made by someone who doesn't use a camper. I'll bet it's the only camper available now that uses the black tank for everything but the sink. I wish there were a way to warn future purchasers about this fatal design flaw. I'm sure sorry Gary has to deal with this and I'm glad that Paul just sneaked in with his new 21 last fall.

Ah....see Charlie's Fourth Law.

[djsamuel]

This is really strange.  The position of the rear vent (for the black tank) shown in the pictures of Paul's 2018 21BHS matches the position of the black tank vent in my 2013 21BHS.  How can the vent be by the shower and the refrigerator since the toilet dumps straight into the black tank?  Either the black tank is huge or the vent piping runs from the tank and over to the shower/refrigerator.  Here is a picture of the roof on my 21BHS.  The closest vent (right at the rear of the trailer, is the black tank vent and the one a bit further away is the gray tank vent.  The position of my gray tank vent seems to match the position of your black tank vent.

EDIT:  Just went back and read the last several messages, including the "design change".  Asinine.

[Merlin]

Gary, I see you posted this over in the LL forum too. By all means update that thread with the design change information. Hopefully someone shopping for new campers will see that and avoid the '18 21BHS.

[Gary M]

Gary, I see you posted this over in the LL forum too. By all means update that thread with the design change information. Hopefully someone shopping for new campers will see that and avoid the '18 21BHS.

Done. I also updated the Facebook group today. Are you guys even on there? It's hard to tell who's who with different names on here. If you're interested, do a search for "Livin Lite Owners Group" on Facebook. It's a pretty active group with lots of good info.

[Merlin]

I'm not on Facebook because usually the signal to noise ratio is abysmally low. But, if there's useful info there for LL, I could check it out.

[DavidM]

I'm not on Facebook because usually the signal to noise ratio is abysmally low. But, if there's useful info there for LL, I could check it out.

+1. Facebook would be an abysmal way to share info on LL campers. Might be a good way to arrange a camping meetup, but otherwise, no.

Many Mom and Pop stores, restaurants, etc. use Facebook instead of having a real website. I hate that and rarely go there.

We have two solid forums that are threaded, organized well and allow pictures. Let's stick to that.

David

[Gary M]

Many Mom and Pop stores, restaurants, etc. use Facebook instead of having a real website. I hate that and rarely go there.

We have two solid forums that are threaded, organized well and allow pictures. Let's stick to that.

David

Eh.. I follow all 3, but there's already 982 members on the facebook group, and its wayyy more active than either of the 2 forum sites in my opinion. Times change? lol

[Gary M]

Posted this in the FB group..