My 16TBS plastic kitchen sink is in need of stainless steel upgrade. Any suggestions on make and model of SS sink to upgrade to?
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I hope @tinkeringtechie (https://aluminumcamperforum.com/index.php?action=profile;u=205) weighs in here. He installed a SS sink in his 21 that will also fit in the 16. I plan to do this someday too.
Several forum members replaced their small plastic sinks with SS. The MS Word attachment describes my mod. Tinkeringtechie used a slightly smaller sink and Gleamb used a larger one. Another owner did replace one in a 16 but I don't recall who. The attachment includes links to the components I used. Let me know if you cannot read the attachment and I'll repost the entire writeup.
when I changed my formica top with granite I installed a 15" x15" standard bar sink with a gooseneck style faucet. The sink is smaller in size but a lot deeper. Also with the smaller sink you gain a lot more counter room on the back side of the of the sink which I really like. I am happy with it. I posted a picture of it when I did my granite
it's under camplite modifications titled new granite
Like John, I went with a deeper sink, perhaps a little excessive at 8", and a slightly smaller bowl (11x13) than OEM. Going undermount will provide a few more square inches of counter space. Will post pic when the counter upgrade is complete.
In general, if it's possible with your mod, I would advise trying for a deeper sink with no attached ledge for faucet, which means investing in a single hole deck faucet. There are many SS bar sink offerings on Amazon...Best wishes. GK
dlb5315's request is much more difficult than I expected. Per his PM, he wants to replace the OEM plastic sink with outer dimensions of 12.5" wide x 17" back to front (b/f). There are hundreds of 15"x15" top mount bar sink offerings but nothing in the 18" b/f range. There seems to some in the 20 b/f inchers, but then the width gets too wide. I suspect 15" b/f just won't cover the existing cut out hole.
Comments? GK
dlb53151, take a look at this sink.
It's from Moen--Model:KG2045522BQ 2000 Series 16-5/8 X 17-5/16 Stainless Steel 20 Gauge Single Bowl Drop In Sink.
You will need to contend with 2 idiosyncrasies, a 2" drain opening for which fittings are quite common, and a 2 hole faucet mount in which fit most bar sink faucets. Alternatively, you could install a single hole kitchen faucet plus a soap dispenser or insert a cap in the remaining hole.
While you are at it, consider installing a HepvO waterless drain trap. It really opens up the space under the sink. One of these beauties is already under your shower. Best wishes. GK
Grampa - Thanks for info. This size would work but I do have a three hole setup currently. Is it difficult to convert to a single faucet and cap one hole? The only issue then is that the faucet will be off center. Do you know if it comes in a 3 hole version?
I still like the better idea of countertop upgrade and going with an under-mount sink but will need to find a handyman to do that.
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Hi dlb53151. A couple of comments.
1. No 3 hole version.
2. An off center single lever faucet could be considered avant-garde especially if it was balanced off by a soap dispenser in the other hole 8).
3. IMO, no problem cutting 3 holes in the ledge for your old faucet. It can be done with a dremel tool and metal cutting disk. No need for round holes, just make them square. Sharp edges can be touched up with a file. Tip--masking tape your ledge, draw where your holes will go and cut through the tape. The disks break easily, have about 6 more on hand for this job.
I should clarify, for a good seal, undermount sinks require a solid surface countertop, like quartz or corian. I've seen it done DIY with plastic laminate over a plywood substrate and waterproof glues but it certainly is not my style...
Regards, GK
I put in Franke sink, ordered it from Lowes. Had to do some pipe fitting replacement and cut and reinstall the Pex water connections. Got a crimp tool from Lowes and crimp fittings. You can find cheaper priced crimp tools on Amazon I think. I used a down stroke laminating jig saw blade to cut the Formica, and just cut slowly. I also had to re-glue the Formica because it had popped loose from heat. Just tape off the foam so you don't get glue on foam as it will melt it.
Here's the info on Franke bar sink. I found the price had really gone up even on Lowes website, $250.00, which seems like a lot. I looked at Lowe's today and they didn't have it on display anymore and I seem to remember it was a special order sink. Franke Bar sink Onyx Granite 748629 SOX1720-1 the price was 152.10 back in May 2017.
Here's the one I used:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000UNOQ3E/
And a couple pictures of the install:
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We still absolutely love it. Having the soap and water filter integrated is very handy too.
Gotta love this forum! Tinkeringtechie's Elkay PSR15173 sink find ticks all the boxes for replacing the OEM toy sink. Thumbs up for water filter and soap dispenser idea. GK
Thanks TT!!! Exactly what I was like looking for.
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Thanks (x2) to TT, exactly the info I needed. Love this forum..
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Done!
We decided on the single hole version. Tightening the under counter clips were by far the worst part of the install. Had to run to Lowe's to get longer clip screws ($5) and a rubber boot ($5) to extend the drain pipe a few inches.
Thanks again TT!
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Very neat install and faucet surfsup1955! I find the flexible boot very handy for working in tight spaces, well worth the price. For those who want to gain just a bit more space under the sink, one can remove the traditional P-trap and replace it with a waterless trap made by https://hepvo.com/. This same trap is (was?) used under CL showers. GK
Quote from: GrampaKilt on September 29, 2018, 02:41:12 PM
Very neat install and faucet surfsup1955! I find the flexible boot very handy for working in tight spaces, well worth the price. For those who want to gain just a bit more space under the sink, one can remove the traditional P-trap and replace it with a waterless trap made by https://hepvo.com/. This same trap is (was?) used under CL showers. GK
Thanks, and thanks for the tip GK, I'll look into that.
I also intend to shorten the two Pex lines and install cut off valves when I have access to some Pex crimping gear. That way if we ever have any faucet issues I can repair or replace things a bit easier. In fact I might do that for the toilet and the bathroom sink as well?
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Surfsup 1955, I, also, need to shorten my water lines. Although, I have a pex crimper, I mostly use a product called 'Shark Bite' or its knock-offs to make the connection especially in the ubiquitous 'tight' spaces or if only needing to do a couple of lines. GK
Quote from: GrampaKilt on September 30, 2018, 12:46:37 PM
Surfsup 1955, I, also, need to shorten my water lines. Although, I have a pex crimper, I mostly use a product called 'Shark Bite' or its knock-offs to make the connection especially in the ubiquitous 'tight' spaces or if only needing to do a couple of lines. GK
I'll price them next time I'm in Lowe's. Looked at a few videos and they seem to work well and easy enough to plug in.
I need 1/2" Pex x 3/8" compression fittings for my purposes.
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For renos etc. these Shark Bite shut-offs save time and are leak proof! GK
Quote from: GrampaKilt on October 03, 2018, 12:39:54 PM
For renos etc. these Shark Bite shut-offs save time and are leak proof! GK
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Just completed the renovation. Full disclosure- hired it out - not handy or patient enough to do it myself.
Before:
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After:
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Total cost: Counter materials + labor remove old + install = $400
Elkay SS Sink (D11516 model# - new - Build.com): $68
Elkay Drain (new - Build.com): $12
Moen Chrome Chateau Faucet (new open box special - Amazon) $43
Plumbing to install sink and faucet: $60
Total Cost ~ $600
Happy wife ~ PRICELESS
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Part 2:
OEM counter - styrofoam core(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181106/3467c6c1cf1b8a981b7ba274c8cd9f49.jpg)
Part 3: New Sink
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Super nice! What's the new counter top made out of? I really need to do the sink upgrade. That sink has been on my Amazon wish list for a couple years ::)
Looks good DLB!
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Merlin - that is a Formica countertop, believe it or not. Would have loved to go with Corian or similar but too heavy.
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Here is a close-up of the old countertop. Shows how obsessed the engineers were about minimizing weight without sacrificing quality.... You won't see Thor doing this.
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