I recently picked up a 2017 11FK w/off road package. I am concerned that it is really not that off road worthy, especially after damage to the wheel well trim on the drive home (all freeway) from the dealer. There is only 1/2" clearance between the tire and the wheel well trim. Even the slightest articulation will cause contact as happened on the drive home. I really think serious damage could occur if I take this on dirt as is.
So my initial thought was to install a Dexter or Scamp spacer lift to give me a bit more clearance. However, when contacting Dexter with the axle serial number they said: "Unfortunately, you have the 3" HP brackets. The lift kits cannot be used with those brackets." When I contacted the Scamp folks they said: "Yep, you have a Dexter #9 axle. You want to order the lift kit for the #9. We have them in stock."
On a followup question Dexter said: "due to too much stress on the frame for the height. Only option would be to install axle with different down angle on it.
You currently have a 10 Down. You could go to a 22.5, 32 or 45 down to raise the trailer. "
Scamp has yet to responded followup questions and clarifications. Additionally, Camplite has not responded to my questions about the issue.
Now I am in a real quandary as to what to do.
Can the 10 down axle be converted to a greater angle? What the 10 down axle spec'd correctly by LL?
I really need to be able to take this thing on dirt, that is why I bought it. Any suggestions?
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zonzin,
Welcome to the forum.
Your 2017 11FK should be covered under warranty. Used to talk to Don at LL Service and he was very good to work with. Will PM his email in a few minutes, not sure if it's still a good one with the changes at LL, but please give it a try.
Hope this helps!
So....trailer by LivinLite, axles by Dexter, and.... you called.... Scamp for.... advice.... ?
Maybe call Microsoft ?
Don is no longer with LivinLite.
Quote from: djsamuel on January 07, 2017, 09:57:13 PM
Don is no longer with LivinLite.
Sorry, to hear that. He is a good guy to work with.
Lift kit, easy to install and depending on the axle, you can get up to 3" of lift.
My 2014 11" with off road package has more clearance than that. I have taken mine off road in Canada and the UP with out any issues.I do have to watch for low limbs in some spots.
I wonder if they installed the correct axle. You should compare axle numbers with someone with a similar trailer.
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Quote from: Pinstriper on January 07, 2017, 09:49:06 PM
So....trailer by LivinLite, axles by Dexter, and.... you called.... Scamp for.... advice.... ?
Maybe call Microsoft ?
No I didn't call Scamp for advice. At the same time I sent an enquiry for lifts to Dexter I sent one to Scamp. I sent it to Scamp because of reviews on their product. My post is because I got a different answer from both companies. I asked for clarification, not advice.
Thanks for your constructive input though.
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Quote from: tco2612 on January 07, 2017, 11:24:15 PM
My 2014 11" with off road package has more clearance than that. I have taken mine off road in Canada and the UP with out any issues.I do have to watch for low limbs in some spots.
Would it be possible for you to take a picture of the label on your axle? I would like to compare with mine.
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I will get you some info later this week when it warms up a bit. -2 at 5:30 A.M. in N/W Ohio
I got the axle numbers, contacted Dexter and they told me which lift kit, (which they sell ) to get. I installed it on my 21RBS with the help of my brother. Now, you might have gotten two different answers because there are a couple of companies that make lift kits for torsion style trailer axles.
Also, the original tires on the trailer posed no problem with clearance, however when I replaced them, I ran into problems, I ordered the same size tires but when I installed them they were much tighter in the wheel well. I doubled check the size and it matched up. Instead of returning them I just added the lift kit. It gave me more then enough room.
Quote from: zonzin on January 08, 2017, 12:44:26 AM
Quote from: tco2612 on January 07, 2017, 11:24:15 PM
My 2014 11" with off road package has more clearance than that. I have taken mine off road in Canada and the UP with out any issues.I do have to watch for low limbs in some spots.
Would it be possible for you to take a picture of the label on your axle? I would like to compare with mine.
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Now I have an inch of water under my camper but it is warmer
Quote from: zonzin on January 08, 2017, 12:44:26 AM
Quote from: tco2612 on January 07, 2017, 11:24:15 PM
My 2014 11" with off road package has more clearance than that. I have taken mine off road in Canada and the UP with out any issues.I do have to watch for low limbs in some spots.
Would it be possible for you to take a picture of the label on your axle? I would like to compare with mine.
Zonzin,
I purchased the Off road package for my 14DB in 2014. Here are some pictures. I didn't measure the clearance, but as you should be able to see from the pictures, there is several inches from the top of the tire to the fender well. The specs on my axle appear similar to yours, but truthfully I don't know how to read the label.
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It looks to me, after comparing Zonzin's photos with almost no clearance and Happyhiker's pics above, that LL installed the wrong axle on Zonzin's trailer. He needs one with more down angle. Work with your dealer to get LL to replace those axles.
Further support for this theory: Look at Zonzin's label. It says SA: 10DT. Happyhiker's says SA: 32DT. So Zonzin has a 10 down axle (10 degrees maybe) and Happyhiker has a 32 down axle (32 degrees). Don't add a lift kit. Replace the axle.
David
Zonzin,
In the picture, is the left side toward the front?
If so, the axle as it compresses will move the tire towards the right and the gap will increase.
You may be in good shape.
If the left side is the rear, operate with care.
Quote from: DavidM on January 14, 2017, 02:39:24 PM
It looks to me, after comparing Zonzin's photos with almost no clearance and Happyhiker's pics above, that LL installed the wrong axle on Zonzin's trailer. He needs one with more down angle. Work with your dealer to get LL to replace those axles.
Further support for this theory: Look at Zonzin's label. It says SA: 10DT. Happyhiker's says SA: 32DT. So Zonzin has a 10 down axle (10 degrees maybe) and Happyhiker has a 32 down axle (32 degrees). Don't add a lift kit. Replace the axle.
David
Good observation David. I think you spotted the critical difference. I am attaching my original spec sheet for my axle and it states the arm angle is 32DT. So yes, it seems the solution is to make LL put the correct axle on the trailer and not add a lift kit.
FYI, my 2014 dual axle 21RBS, ordered and delivered in late 2013 with the off road option, has Dexter axles labeled "22T". They have the pre-Thor 3500# rating so probably don't compress as much. My conversation with the factory engineer at the time reveled the off road package included axles with 10 degrees more angle. It sure looks like the 10T axle is wrong and can/should be changed. Good catch, David.
Could not post picture Here is the info on my axle.
2014 11" with off road package.
DEXTER AXLE
HF=76.25 OB=62.25 SA: 32 DT
10 H 3294902
S/N 121830026 CAPACITY 3000 LBS.
Quote from: happyhiker on January 14, 2017, 01:10:15 PM
Quote from: zonzin on January 08, 2017, 12:44:26 AM
Quote from: tco2612 on January 07, 2017, 11:24:15 PM
My 2014 11" with off road package has more clearance than that. I have taken mine off road in Canada and the UP with out any issues.I do have to watch for low limbs in some spots.
Would it be possible for you to take a picture of the label on your axle? I would like to compare with mine.
Zonzin,
I purchased the Off road package for my 14DB in 2014. Here are some pictures. I didn't measure the clearance, but as you should be able to see from the pictures, there is several inches from the top of the tire to the fender well. The specs on my axle appear similar to yours, but truthfully I don't know how to read the label.
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Thanks so much for taking the pics. Definitely something wrong with mine.
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Quote from: happyhiker on January 14, 2017, 03:51:35 PM
Quote from: DavidM on January 14, 2017, 02:39:24 PM
It looks to me, after comparing Zonzin's photos with almost no clearance and Happyhiker's pics above, that LL installed the wrong axle on Zonzin's trailer. He needs one with more down angle. Work with your dealer to get LL to replace those axles.
Further support for this theory: Look at Zonzin's label. It says SA: 10DT. Happyhiker's says SA: 32DT. So Zonzin has a 10 down axle (10 degrees maybe) and Happyhiker has a 32 down axle (32 degrees). Don't add a lift kit. Replace the axle.
David
I got a number for someone at LL is the warranty dept. , I will give them a call on Monday and see if I can get this squared away.
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Good observation David. I think you spotted the critical difference. I am attaching my original spec sheet for my axle and it states the arm angle is 32DT. So yes, it seems the solution is to make LL put the correct axle on the trailer and not add a lift kit.
I would agree about the down angle being wrong. Your pics show the torsion arm in a recessed position (set above the centre line), ideally it should be pointing in a down ward position.
There should be no need for a lift kit on your package, however, if you don't get this resolved - I put the orbital machine works lift kit on my 2013 13RDB (which is square tubing) and my trailer has the same type of brackets on your 11FK. I've had no issues after thousands of kilometres up on the gnarliest roads in the mountains. The trailer did rise up quite a bit and I can now feel more wind resistance, but it tracks better so there is a bit of a trade off there. The 11 FK used come with a lighter axle for the base model and should have the heavier axle for the off road model. Could you look at the specs sheets of each and compare? Good luck!
Quote from: DavidM on January 14, 2017, 02:39:24 PM
It looks to me, after comparing Zonzin's photos with almost no clearance and Happyhiker's pics above, that LL installed the wrong axle on Zonzin's trailer. He needs one with more down angle. Work with your dealer to get LL to replace those axles.
Further support for this theory: Look at Zonzin's label. It says SA: 10DT. Happyhiker's says SA: 32DT. So Zonzin has a 10 down axle (10 degrees maybe) and Happyhiker has a 32 down axle (32 degrees). Don't add a lift kit. Replace the axle.
David
I called LL and explained the issue to them and sent pics,, they are sending me a new axle at 32 down. Good support.
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Great news zonzin!
I have a 2013 CL11FDB with the off-road package. When I'm able I'll take a pic of my axel label. It's still winter big time here in the land of lawn tractors. Eventually things will thaw and I can see what axle they put on mine. I have plenty of clearance at the wheel wells.
I attach a pic of mine being built -- pic courtesy of Don, the former employee spoken about earlier in this thread.
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Not to highjack this thread, but a question. I'm heading out this weekend to pickup(hopefully) new to me used 11fk. It does not have the offroad package. I do want to add as much as I can. What size tires are on the 11fk offroad. I can almost read the sidewalls in the above pics. Thanks.
LT195/75/14 That's what my off road package has.
Quote from: Gator Egg on March 29, 2017, 01:23:13 PM
Not to highjack this thread, but a question. I'm heading out this weekend to pickup(hopefully) new to me used 11fk. It does not have the offroad package. I do want to add as much as I can. What size tires are on the 11fk offroad. I can almost read the sidewalls in the above pics. Thanks.
Not sure what you mean by "....add as much as I can." The 11FK came with 175/80-13 tires on 13" wheels. Without a lift package (or the off-road package), you can't do much about increasing tire/wheel size and there are no off-road tires in 13"
I was going to try and get away with the tires and a lift kit. But to forego the axle.
The axle finally arrived from LL, a new 32 degree down version. It was easy to install and definitely resolved any clearance issues and gave me the height I wanted when buy the Off Road option. They also sent me new wheel well liners to replaced the damaged one. Good customer support over all. A trip to Moab put it to the test and all is well.
Here's a couple of before and after pics.
Before:
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After:
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Great to see! Thanks for the update.
Doug
That is one sweet looking rig, zonzin!
Can someone provide the Dexter axle # for the 32DT axle. I'd like to look at the option of swapping it in to give my 11FK more clearance. The current 10DT axle on the offroad package has uniform clearance all around but still doesnt have as much as what zonzin ended up with. Also, Any thoughts on swapping out for an independent trailing arm setup?
Quote from: nassstnate on May 31, 2019, 04:31:06 PM
Can someone provide the Dexter axle # for the 32DT axle. I'd like to look at the option of swapping it in to give my 11FK more clearance. The current 10DT axle on the offroad package has uniform clearance all around but still doesnt have as much as what zonzin ended up with. Also, Any thoughts on swapping out for an independent trailing arm setup?
Back in post 13 of this thread, Happyhiker posted a photo of the label on a Dexter 32DT axle. That number must be what you are looking for?