Hello everyone,
Since the forum is fairly quiet nowadays I thought I would ask about this towing vehicule here. We are thinking about trading our 2015 Silverado 5.3L for a Toyota Tacoma 4.0L. I have always been a Toyota guy. I must admit I really really like the comfort of our Silverado but I feel like it's just too large of a truck for what we need. We first bought the Silverado thinking that we would later buy a truck camper but we ended up with our 13QBB which we intend to keep. So here is my question, does anyone here tow it's CL with a Tacoma? I was thinking about buying a 2015 since this was the last year of the 4.0L engine which I think is more appreciated than the new 3.5L for towing. Please let me know what you think!
Our 2013 Nissan Pathfinder which is a lighter TV than your Tacoma, tows our 16TBS very nicely. You should be fine with the Tacoma towing a 13QBB.
David
Paging @charliem (https://aluminumcamperforum.com/index.php?action=profile;u=207) , a.k.a. "Supercharged Taco Charlie"
Quote from: DavidM on June 02, 2020, 07:49:50 PM
Our 2013 Nissan Pathfinder which is a lighter TV than your Tacoma, tows our 16TBS very nicely. You should be fine with the Tacoma towing a 13QBB.
David
David, out of curiosity what is the engine and transmission in your Pathfinder?
The 2013 Pathfinder has a 3.5 liter V6 and a continuously variable automatic transmission. It has tow rating of 5,000 lbs which was raised in later models to 6,000 lbs with no obvious changes.
My 16TBS is a twin axle model with a GVWR of 5,000 lbs and an empty weight of about 3,000 lbs. It probably weighs about 3,500-4,000 lbs loaded with options. Your 13QBB should weigh several hundred pounds less.
The Tacoma has a beefier structure with body over frame construction and a larger engine. I think that Tacoma can easily tow a 21' LL. CharlieM does with a super charged engine, which is irrelevant for everything but lane passing power and hill climbing at speed, not towing safety.
David
Quote from: Sylvain on June 02, 2020, 07:36:35 PM
Hello everyone,
Since the forum is fairly quiet nowadays I thought I would ask about this towing vehicule here. We are thinking about trading our 2015 Silverado 5.3L for a Toyota Tacoma 4.0L. I have always been a Toyota guy. I must admit I really really like the comfort of our Silverado but I feel like it's just too large of a truck for what we need. We first bought the Silverado thinking that we would later buy a truck camper but we ended up with our 13QBB which we intend to keep. So here is my question, does anyone here tow it's CL with a Tacoma? I was thinking about buying a 2015 since this was the last year of the 4.0L engine which I think is more appreciated than the new 3.5L for towing. Please let me know what you think!
Sylvain,
I tow a 21RBS with a 2013 Taco 4.0L. I use an E2 WDH. The Taco is more than adequate for your 13QBB. I do have the TRD belt driven supercharger but only because I planned, and do, travel and camp at altitude in the Rockies. At lower elevations without steep mountain grades the Taco w/o SC would be fine. I think you're wise to look for the 4.0 engine. When they went to the newer/smaller engine they upped the RPMs for the specified performance: 278Hp @6000RPM. Engines just shouldn't have to work that hard. My 4.0 might generate that kind of power too if it could spin that fast :D . You'll like the Tacoma. It doesn't do all like a big truck, but then, it's not a big truck.
FYI @Merlin (https://aluminumcamperforum.com/index.php?action=profile;u=42) :I didn't get the email notification from the tag :-\ . Whatsup?
Ok, thanks a lot again for your input guys! Very appreciated.
Sylvain,
I tow a 21RBS with a 2013 Taco 4.0L. I use an E2 WDH. The Taco is more than adequate for your 13QBB. I do have the TRD belt driven supercharger but only because I planned, and do, travel and camp at altitude in the Rockies. At lower elevations without steep mountain grades the Taco w/o SC would be fine. I think you're wise to look for the 4.0 engine. When they went to the newer/smaller engine they upped the RPMs for the specified performance: 278Hp @6000RPM. Engines just shouldn't have to work that hard. My 4.0 might generate that kind of power too if it could spin that fast :D . You'll like the Tacoma. It doesn't do all like a big truck, but then, it's not a big truck.
FYI @Merlin (https://aluminumcamperforum.com/index.php?action=profile;u=42) :I didn't get the email notification from the tag :-\ . Whatsup?
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Quick question for you Charlie. I heard the Tacoma has a low roof. I'm a tall guy at 6.2". Do you think I can sit comfortably in a Tacoma without having my head hitting the ceiling!? I haven't had the chance to sit in one yet.
Quote from: DavidM on June 03, 2020, 09:11:36 AM
The 2013 Pathfinder has a 3.5 liter V6 and a continuously variable automatic transmission. It has tow rating of 5,000 lbs which was raised in later models to 6,000 lbs with no obvious changes.
My 16TBS is a twin axle model with a GVWR of 5,000 lbs and an empty weight of about 3,000 lbs. It probably weighs about 3,500-4,000 lbs loaded with options. Your 13QBB should weigh several hundred pounds less.
The Tacoma has a beefier structure with body over frame construction and a larger engine. I think that Tacoma can easily tow a 21' LL. CharlieM does with a super charged engine, which is irrelevant for everything but lane passing power and hill climbing at speed, not towing safety.
David
Thanks David.
According to the manufacturer our 13QBB has an empty weight of 2350 lbs. It probably weighs around 2800-2900 lbs when loaded. The axle on our trailer is only rated at 3000 lbs so we can't exceed that I guess.
Quote from: Sylvain on June 03, 2020, 07:23:43 PM
Quick question for you Charlie. I heard the Tacoma has a low roof. I'm a tall guy at 6.2". Do you think I can sit comfortably in a Tacoma without having my head hitting the ceiling!? I haven't had the chance to sit in one yet.
Not an easy question to answer. I'm 5'9" and fit fine. No head interference that I've noticed. However I guess it depends on how those extra 5 inches are distributed: Heels to butt vs butt to head. You'll just have to find a Taco and check it out ;) .
We own a 2015 Tacoma and I'm 6'2" and have no problem with "fitting" in the cab. Plenty of head room. Like its been said, find one and sit in it.
Perfect, thanks!
Hi Sylvain,
Did you purchase your new vehicle yet?
TANSTATMTV
Quote from: The Thor FKA Livin Lite on June 23, 2020, 08:48:39 PM
Hi Sylvain,
Did you purchase your new vehicle yet?
Not yet! I'm trying to sell our 2015 Silverado (2wd) first. Not easy to sell a 2wd truck! As soon as the Silverado sells I'll buy a Tacoma.
Quote from: Pinstriper on June 24, 2020, 12:09:55 AM
TANSTATMTV
You're right but I really want to go back to Toyota for the reliability. The Tundra would be great but they are so hard on gas that I'm left with the Tacoma!
It looks like you have your mind made up, but, for what its worth I'll put in my 10 cents worth (7 cents US). We just upgraded from a 2010 Nissan Frontier 4L-V6 2WD to a 2019 Silverado 1500 4x4 with the 5.3L-V8. We are towing a 21RBS so a bit heavier than your trailer (I believe 3500 lbs curb weight). We too wanted a 4x4 but more importantly we found our Nissan just didn't cut it especially with the numerous steep mountain passes we must climb in order to get out of the Lower Mainland. On steep climbs it was downshifting to 2nd and in order to maintain a safe speed the engine was roaring. I feared a transmission failure if we kept it up. Even on slight grades with a head wind I found that I was constantly giving it more gas. My gas mileage was terrible as a result. By the end of the day my leg was aching and being 60ish, the massages don't come as often so the pain lingered. I haven't gone out with the new truck yet but I am expecting it to perform better than the Frontier. I really liked the Nissan Frontier and was hoping they would introduce the diesel but no such luck.
I too tow a 21RBS (2018 platinum). I use a 2016 Ford F150 with a 3.5 Ecoboost and a towing package. I went back and forth between a larger V8 and the Ecoboost. I am sure I made the right choice. The Ecoboost develops 420 FT/lbs of torque and 400+ HP. We have pulled through steep mountain passes with no issue. The tow/haul transmission feature saves my brakes on the steep declines. I get 11 - 13 mpg when towing (65mph), 18 mpg around town when unhooked and 22 - 24 mpg on the highway when not towing and driving at speed limit or above. The tow package also has anti sway technology but I use an anti sway tow device so I cant comment on the anti sway software in the system. I didnt get the 4x4 which I regret but otherwise I am very pleased with the vehicle. I have 90000 miles on the truck now with no problems so far. 20,000 of those have been towing and again no problems so far.
Thanks for your input guys. This is very appreciated.
Hello @charliem (https://aluminumcamperforum.com/index.php?action=profile;u=207)
We finally traded our Silverado for a 2014 Tacoma TRD Off Road. I'm happy with the truck, the size is nice. I didn't tow our 13QBB with it yet but i will in July. I still need to install the brake controller in the truck. I have a few questions for you if you don't mind! I was wondering if you tow with the transmission in D or do you block it in fourth gear? Also, do you think it's necessary to add one leaf spring to prevent the back of the truck from sagging too much?
Thanks!
Sylvain,
Glad you are now a Tacoma owner.
I usually tow in fourth gear. Much easier on the engine and transmission. I monitor the transmission temperature and it rises pretty quickly if I shift up to fifth gear with any sort of incline or headwind.
On the springs, I vaguely remember some factory recall dealing with the rear axle and spring set. I don't remember the details but it occurred in early 2014 and required some shop time. It had to do with wrap up of the rear axle or something. I think they replaced the leaf springs but I'm not sure. FWIW I presently have four leaves in the spring set and it seems fine. I'm not aware of the need to add more leaves for towing.
Ok thank you so much Charlie. How do you monitor the transmission temp? Did you add a transmission cooler or is it just the factory setup?
I use a product called ScanGauge II
https://www.autozone.com/test-scan-and-specialty-tools/scangauge/scangauge-ii-digital-trip-monitor/914192_0_0 (https://www.autozone.com/test-scan-and-specialty-tools/scangauge/scangauge-ii-digital-trip-monitor/914192_0_0)
or
https://www.amazon.com/ScanGauge-Automotive-Computer-Customizable-Real-Time/dp/B000AAMY86/ref=sr_1_2?crid=N3JNXBZHQGCO&dchild=1&keywords=scangauge+ii&qid=1622739162&sprefix=scangauge%2Caps%2C229&sr=8-2 (https://www.amazon.com/ScanGauge-Automotive-Computer-Customizable-Real-Time/dp/B000AAMY86/ref=sr_1_2?crid=N3JNXBZHQGCO&dchild=1&keywords=scangauge+ii&qid=1622739162&sprefix=scangauge%2Caps%2C229&sr=8-2)
It is important to monitor transmission fluid temperature, especially when climbing mountains. There ore many other monitors on the market but this one works well. The transmission cooler is the one included in the factory towing package.
Have fun this summer.
Thanks again Charlie, your help is much appreciated! If you don't mind I have a few more questions but they will be the last I promise! What should the transmission temperature be (ideal and max)? Also, what is your cruising speed and rpm when towing in fourth gear?
Sorry for all the questions!
Sylvain
Sorry but it's been too long and memories fade. We didn't get any camping in last year due to Covid so I don't have any recent calibration. I'm thinking 60MPH in fourth runs around 2500 2800 RPM but no guarantees. The transmission temperature will run around 170F without the trailer and will rise when towing or climbing. I've never been able to find a definitive answer on where the limit should be. It seems to be more of a time-temperature product than a short term high temp limit. I usually start watching when it gets above 210F. Just watch it and you'll get an idea of what to expect. Worst case you'll just have to replace the transmission fluid when you get home. Apparently that's what goes bad.
That's great information Charlie. Thanks again for your help, it's very appreciated!
Get a 6 speed and you're gold! I think I still need a small lift and a bit stiffer spring to level things out perfectly....
Our Tacoma is a 2nd gen. The 6 speed transmission was introduced in the 3rd gen Tacomas like yours.
Nice set-up. What's the weight of your trailer? It must be fairly easy to tow since it doesn't act as a big parachute being a low profile trailer.
Something like 1,700 lbs I think.